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BLOSSE

(BLOYSE)

The following pedigree was published in "The Visitations of Suffolk, 1561, 1577 & 1612" (Metcalfe, 1882). Inconsistencies in this pedigree cast doubt on its authenticity. It gives the appearance of having been edited several times.

VISITATION 1612

BLOSSE of Ipswich and Belsted Hall.

THOMAS BLOSSE of Ipswich, co. Suff., ob. 1342, mar. and had issue.

THOMAS BLOSSE, of Ipswich, son and heir, who died 1390, mar, and had issue, -- THOMAS, son and heir, who died 1454, mar. and had issue THOMAS, son and heir; (Alice, second wife to Richard Frere of Occult.)

THOMAS BLOSSE of Ipswich, son and heir to Thomas, ob. where he was Baylye, 1522, mar. Joane, da. of Robert Canham of Swaffham in Norf., and by her had issue, -- THOMAS, son and heir ; TOBYE, second son ; [Margaret (?Martha) wife to John Knapp of Ipswich ; ... wife to (John) Bull of Bradshaw in Suff. ; Elizabeth, wife to Richard Reynolds of London, Merchant.]

THOMAS BLOSSE, Alderman of Norwich, son and heir to Thomas, mar. Mary, da. of ... Bowde and widow of ... Barker, and had no issue.

TOBYE BLOSSE of Ipswich, Portman, second son of Thomas of Ipswich, mar. Elizabeth, da. of Thomas Sicklemore of Ipswich, Portman, and hath issue, -- THOMAS, son and heir ; Tobyas, second son ; Alice, eldest da. mar. George Goodinge of Grundisburgh, co. Suff. ; Elizabeth, second da. mar. John Couchman of London, Gent. ; Joane, third da. mar. Stephen Noble of London, Gent. ; Mary, fourth da. mar. William Harrison of London, Gent. ; Susan fifth da. ; Abigail, sixth da. ; Dorcus, seventh da. ; Debora, eighth da.

THOMAS BLOSSE of Belsted Hall, co. Suff., Gent., son and heir-apparent, mar. Mary, da. of ... Cage of Ipswich, Portman, and as yet hath no issue, 1620.

 

Reading backwards:

Thomas of Belsted Hall, near Ipswich, still has no issue at 1620, which is 8 years after the Visitation, so this comment must have been added subsequent to the copy which Metcalfe was working from, which was presumably not the copy supplied to the herald. In fact the whole paragraph may have been added after 1612. Thomas is heir-apparent, therefore his father (Tobye) is still living. Thomas would probably have been born c.1590

Tobye of Ipswich was alive at the 1612 Visitation, and was probably born c. 1565. He probably provided the pedigree at the Visitation, as it is well-detailed for his generation.

Thomas, Alderman of Norwich, was presumably the elder brother of Tobye, so would have been born c.1563. He presumably died some time before 1610 as it says he "had no issue" rather than "hath no issue"

Thomas, of Ipswich, was presumably father of both Thomas and Tobye, so therefore was still alive at c.1565. The phrase "ob. where he was Baylye, 1522" is not understood. Was he Baylye at Ipswich in 1522, or did he die in 1522 at Ipswich? The pedigree probably only listed his male issue, Thomas and Tobye, and the daughters have been added later, as their details appear within square brackets. Presumably these have been guessed by someone comparing pedigrees of the inter-related families. Presumably whoever made these additions guessed a daughter named Margaret married John Knapp, and at a later date someone else (perhaps Metcalfe, 1882) has corrected this to show Martha, to agree with the Knapp pedigree (which also appears in the Metcalfe book). But Martha would have been born c.1540, so her father (Thomas Bloyse according to the Knapp pedigree), would have been born no later than say 1520, and would have been alive 1540.

His father Thomas died in 1454; his father Thomas died 1390; and his father Thomas died 1342. All of which is most improbable. Summed up, the pedigree is quite unreliable, and would probably have been rejected by the herald at the Visitation. Other sources suggest that Martha was born at Grundisburgh.

For earlier history, in France, see CHATILLON

[CHAX531] Jean de Bloise (born c.1340), Comte de Penthievre, married [CLIS532] Marguerite de Clisson (daughter of Olivier V de Clisson, see CLISSON).

[CHAX541=BLOS541] Thomas Bloise (born c.1370), married Alice Frere (born 1379). Alice died 1458.and Thomas died 1461.

[BLOS551] Thomas Bloise (born c.1400), married Joane Canham (born 1410, daughter of Robert Canham).

[BLOS561] Thomas Bloise (born 1440), married [STYL562] Margaret Style (born c.1445, daughter of [STYL551] William Style, see STYLE). Thomas died 1528 and Margaret died 1538.

[BLOS571] William Bloise (born 1483), married his cousin [STYL572] Margery Style (born 1487, daughter of [STYL561] William Style, see STYLE). Margery died 1513 and William died 12th September 1567.

[BLOS581] Richard Bloise (born c.1513), married 1. Elizabeth Raven (born c.1517), died 1538; then 2. [FISH582] Rose Fisher (born 1517, daughter of [FISH571] [Bishop] John Fisher, see FISHER). Richard died 1589.

[BLOS592] Martha Bloise (born c.1540, at Grundisburgh, daughter of Richard & Rose), married (at Ipswich, 1563) [KNAP591] John Knapp (see KNAPP).