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HERBERT

 The early history was originally based on "The Counties and County Families of Wales" (Thomas Nicholas, 1875),
which is thought to contain inaccuracies, which have no doubt been repeated elsewhere.

The version below shows the wives of Herbert FitzHenry and his son Herbert FitzHerbert being of suspiciously similar age

[HERZ441] Herbert I FitzHenry, Lord Chamberlain m. [BLOI354] Emma de Blois
. [HERZ451] Herbert II FitzHerbert, Lord Chamberlain m. [CORX343] Sybil Corbet, Lady of Alcaston
. . [HERZ461] Herbert III FitzHerbert m. [HER2463] Lucy of Gloucester, Lady of Blaen Llynfi
. . . [HERZ471] Piers FitzHerbert of Alcaston m1. [WARK472] Alice FitzRoger of Warkworth
. . . . [HERZ483] Lucy FitzPiers m. [ROOS481] Sir William de Ros of Helmsley, Baron of Trussebut
. . . . [HERZ481] Sir Reynold FitzPiers FitzHerbert, Sheriff of Hampshire m2. [VIVO482] Joan de Vivonia
. . . . . [HERZ492] Eleanor FitzPiers m2. [MART421] Lord William Martin

[HERZ441] Herbert I FitzHenry of Winchester, Lord Chamberlain to King William II rufus, married [BLOI354] Emma of Blois ([born c.1075], illegitimate daughter of Etienne, Count of Blois, Chartres, etc, see CHAMPAGNE COUNTY). There was a charter made in the early part of the 12th Century, sub-tenanting some of the land held by the Archbishop of York to "Herbert the Chamberlain and his son", comprising Londesborough with Towthorpe, Weaverthorpe with Helperthorpe, High and Low Lutton; and small parcels of land in Thirkleby, Sherburn, Birdsall, Mowthorpe, "Ulkiltorp" (unidentified); and the church at Croom with some land; and a house in Beverley; all of which were in the East Riding of Yorkshire; also the church of St. Ogleforth in York with some land. The bulk of the land in the East Riding (except at Beverley) was approximately to the east and south of Malton, though Londesborough with Towthorpe were further south close to [Market] Weighton. (Towthorpe itself no longer exists, but its site is marked on the Ordnance Survey map.) In addition, some of the holdings of the Archbishop of York in Gloucestershire were also sub-tenanted at the same time. They were not identified other than being "which Hermer and Turchetel held". The fee for the whole was the service of 3 knights to be provided by Herbert.

Interestingly, [Market] Weighton itself was not included in the charter. The manor here (excluding its church) had been sub-tenanted to Geoffrey FitzPayne, whose holdings became known as the TRUSSEBUT Fee. Warter Priory itself was approximately 10 miles due north of [Market] Weighton. However a descendant of Herbert is later held [Market] Weighton, see below under [HERZ471] Piers FitzHerbert.

Herbert died c.1130.

William I FitzHerbert aka William of Thwayt (son of Herbert, born in Yorkshire), held the "Prebendary of Weighton in York Cathedral" (1109-14). He was also archdeacon of the East Riding of Yorkshire, then Treasurer of the Cathedral of York. He was elected Archbishop of York (January 1141), though this was opposed by the Cistercians and the archdeacons of his Diocese. One critic said William was "rotten from the soles of his feet to the crown of his head", whilst the Archbishop of Canterbury refused to recognise William's election due to allegations of the acquisition of church positions by bribery and of interference by William's half-uncle, King Stephen. In 1143 the Pope said that William would be confirmed in office if he was able to refute the allegations by oath from himself and the Dean of York. The papal legate Henry of Blois (who also happened to be William's half-brother), subsequently found William innocent, and so he was consecrated as Archbishop on September 26th 1143.

In 1145 William was suspended from office for an alleged irregularity in the appointment of the Dean of York, William of St. Barbara, as Bishop of Durham. William was deposed by the Pope (1147), and the deposition was confirmed at the Council of Reims (March 1148), and Henry Murdac was elected as his successor. After Archbishop Murdac died (August 1153) died, William travelled to Rome to plead with the new Pope for re-appointment, and this was granted (December 1153), and William returned to England. Not long after his return, William died at York (June 8th 1154), allegedly due to poison administered in the chalice at Mass.

[HERZ451] Herbert II FitzHerbert of Winchester (born c.1075, son of Herbert), said to have been Lord Chamberlain to his half-uncle King Stephen, married [CORX349] Sybil Corbet, Lady of Alcaston (Salop) & Pontesbury (Salop) ([presumably born c.1075], former concubine of King Henry I, and daughter & coheir of Burgess Robert Corbet, see CAUS (CORBET) FEUDAL BARONY). There was a Grant by Herbert son of Herbert (dated some time around 1114-21), of the church at Weaverthorpe to the canons of Nostell Priory Church of St. Oswald, for the support of their guest house "which church William, treasurer of York, the grantee's brother, first gave to the canons in alms, with the consent of Archbishop Thurstan". This grant was later confirmed (1153) by William, Archbishop of York (who was of course the grantee's brother). Herbert FitzHerbert is said to have been Lord of Weaverthorpe (Yorks), so this may have been his principal holding at one time. Herbert died c.1155.

[HERZ461] Herbert III FitzHerbert (born c.1108, son & heir of Herbert II)), succeeded his elder brother Robert FitzHerbert the Chamberlain (died without issue, 1165). Herbert was also said to have been the Lord Chamberlain to King Henry II, as there was a reference in 1166 to "Stephen son of Herbert the Chamberlain". However, the subsequent events suggest that there could be a Herbert IV FitzHerbert (born c.1135), otherwise Herbert III was very active until his nineties.

There was a Grant (some time around 1175-95) by William son of Hugh de Bridessale to the convent of Watton, [which was about 12 miles north-east of [Market] Weighton], of a parcel of land of the fee of Herbert son of Herbert in Birdsall, lying next to the land which the nuns and brethren have of the fee of Patric de Ryedale. Evidently, Herbert FitzHerbert's land at Birdsall had meantime been sub-tenanted to William FitzHugh.

Herbert married [HER2463] Lucy of Gloucester ([born c.1140], Lady of Blaen Llynfi [=Source of River Llyfni] and Bwlch y Dins, 3rd daughter & eventually coheir of Earl Miles, see HEREFORD (GLOUCESTER) EARLDOM). Bwlch is 10 km south-east of Brecon, and Blaenllynfi Castle 1 km from Bwlch. Through Lucy, Herbert acquired the Forest of Dean. In 1196 Herbert negotiated the purchase of part of the inheritance of Lucy's sister Margaret of Gloucester, in particular Brycheiniog which he subsequently acquired. Herbert died June 1204.

[HERZ471] Piers FitzHerbert, of Alcaston (Salop) & Berstaple (Devon) (2nd but 1st surviving son & heir of Herbert III & Lucy), held Londesburgh (Londesborough), Weaverthorpe, (East Riding of Yorks), Blaenllynfi, Talgarth (10km north-east of Brecon), etc (in the Welsh Marches). He was Governor of Pickering Castle (1214), and Sheriff of Yorkshire (1216). Piers was one of the barons who signed Magna Carta. He forfeit his holding at Alcaston by King John (perhaps because he was a leading signatory to the Magna Carta), but this was restored to him by King Henry III.

He is also said to have held [Market] Weighton which is most curious. It had been was part of the Archbishop of York's vast holdings at the Domesday Survey, but later became part of the TRUSSEBUT estate. Then in 1204 [ROOS471] Robert de Ros (one of the 3 coheirs of the Trussebut estate) was in dispute over the holding of Weighton Manor with Henry du Puiset. Henry showed that he had been granted it by King Henry II, subsequently confirmed by King Richard I and King John. But eventually (in 1219) it was rightfully restored to the Trussebut estate, with a one-third share being given to Robert de Ros. After the deaths of the two other coheirs without issue (in 1241 and 1247 respectively), the full share of the Weighton Manor fell to William de Ros (son of the by then deceased Robert de Ros). So certainly in the period 1204-47 the Manor was held by either the Puiset or Ros families. During this period Piers' daughter Lucy was born (c.1205), and she apparently married (c.1225) Sir William de Ros. Could it be that Piers acquired Weighton Manor after this marriage? His son Reynold (see below) held the manor in 1252.

Piers was feudal Lord of Brecknock. Later the castle at Blaen Llynfi was in the hands of the Braose family (1215), but Piers recovered it c.1217-18. It was sacked by Llywelyn ab Iorwerth and Richard Marshal, 6th Earl of Pembroke, (October 1233), but rebuilt soon afterwards.

Piers is said to have had an illegitimate child (Joan, born c.1183) by his mistress. This Joan married Nicholas de Verdun, but her parentage is in dispute (see VERDUN).

Piers married 1. (28th November 1203) [WARK472] Alice (daughter of Robert FitzRoger, feudal Lord of Clavering, Essex, and Warkworth, Northumbs, see WARKWORTH FEUDAL LORDSHIP), died before 1225; then 2. --- (3rd daughter & coheiress of William de Braose, Lord of Brecknock); then 3. Isabel de Ferrers (widow of Roger de Mortimer of Wigmore see WIGMORE (MORTIMER) BARONY, and daughter of Walkelin de Ferrieres, see FERRIERES). [Other sources suggest he had no children by Alice, only by his 2nd (unnamed) wife. Piers died at Basing, Hants, (1st June 1235).

[HERZ483] Lucy ([born c.1205], daughter of Piers FitzHerbert & Alice) married [ROOS481] Sir William de Ros (see HELMSLEY (ROS) BARONY).

[HERZ481] Sir Reynold FitzPiers FitzHerbert (born c.1208, younger son of Piers FitzHerbert & Alice, and heir of his elder brother Herbert FitzPiers) of Alcaston and Blaen Llynfi, Sheriff of Hampshire, married 1. (1249 sic, according to "The Complete Peerage") Alice (born c.1222, daughter of William de Stanford, Lord of Stanford Dingley, Berks), alleged died 1264; then 2. (c.1266) [VIVO482] Joan de Vivonia (widow, born 1251, Lady of Chewton, daughter of William de Fortibus, see FORTIBUS).

Reynold was granted the right to hold a Thursday market at the manor of [Market] Weighton (January 1252), and in 1293 Joahanna de Vivonia claimed the market in dower of the inheritance of John son of the grantee Reynold. John was known as John FitzReynold FitzPiers, 1st Lord FitzReynold of Wolverton. His mother was Alice, and Joan de Vivonia was his step-mother.

Blaen Llyfni Castle was taken by Llywelyn ap Gruffydd (late 1262), but recovered by Reynold (September 1273). Reynold died 5th May 1286, and Joan died 1st June 1314. Blaen Llyfni Castle was subsequently seized by the crown (1321-22).

[HERZ492] Eleanor (born c.1265, daughter of Reynold FitzPiers & Vivonia) married 1. (alleged c. December 1269) John de Mohun, 6th of Dunster, died June 1279; then 2. (before January 1281-82) [MART421] William Martin of Kemeys (see MARTIN BARONY).

[HERZ493] Alice FitzPiers (born c.1234 sic, daughter of Reynold FitzPiers & Alice) married (c. June 1256) [PORT401] Sir John de St. John of Basing (born 1225, grandson of William de Port, see PORT).

[HERZ491] John FitzReynold FitzPiers (son & heir of Reynold FitzPiers) held the following lands (said to be the same as of his father): Llynfi, Bwlch y Dinas and Talgarth (Brecknockshire); Wolverton, Bedhampton and Tadley (Hants); [Market] Weighton, Londesborough and Weaverthorpe (Yorks); Leckhampstead, Stanford and Cookham (Berks); Stanton and Wilton (Wilts); Haresfield, Barnsley and Southam (Gloucs); Pontesbury, (Salop); Freethorpe (Norfolk); Ugley (Essex). In Yorkshire, [Market] Weighton was held of the king in chief, whilst Londesborough and Weaverthorpe were held of the Archbishop of York.